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Chris, Public Transport

While I agree that a map of frequent services in Sydney is a good idea, I'd first like to see a map that shows ALL bus routes in the area, both government and private. For the passengers, the notice on government bus maps that "Sydney Bus Services Do Not Operate In This Area" suggests that no buses operate in the area, which is incorrect, and it is a total pain to look at every single private operator website (even if you knew what all the operators were) to find out info.

Matt in Sydney

Kevin - Great work! It's fantastic to see this sort of information coming out of 'the community' rather than waiting for the powers that be to provide them. Let's hope they've moved on from the days of legal action for copyright infringement.
A couple of comments and questions:
- What are the days of the week and service span required for 'frequent service'?
- While showing the detail for all bus routes on the one map will always be challenging, I typically look for major road names to understand where the routes operate. You may be able to fit the major arterials in, such as Anzac Pde, Military Rd, Victoria Rd, M2 motorway etc.
- Not looking to pick errors etc but I would expect Burwood to be one of the most frequently served stations in Sydney, and therefore not grey as shown.
Thanks for your efforts!


Matt - Thanks for your comments.
For this map I looked at service between the peaks on weekdays. When the map is finished I am planning to have a chart with the 15 minute map that gives more information about how frequent the buses are outside that time frame.

Regarding Burwood, you are not the first person to question this, however Burwood does not actually have 15 minute service between the peaks. For example the timetable for Citybound services starting between 12PM and 1PM is:
12:05 - Northern Line
12:23 - Inner West Line
12:24 - Western Line
12:35 - Northern Line
12:39 - Inner West Line
12:53 - Inner West Line
12:54 - Western Line
There is an 18 minute gap between the first and second service.

In addition, even if the 12:23 train ran at 12:20, I would still be hesitant to call it 15 minute service because the Inner West Line stopping pattern is so different from the Northern and Western Lines.


I noticed a couple of mistakes on that map.

1. There's frequent buses between Merrylands and Parramatta, every 10 minutes all day on weekdays. Don't remember the route numbers, but they're run by CDC.

2. There's frequent buses (every 15 minutes) between Mount Druitt and Bidwill, run by Busways.

3. There's frequent buses (every 15 minutes) between Liverpool and Miller, run by CDC. However the service is only hourly on Sundays.

4. The M92 dosn't terminate at Lidcombe, it is extended to Parramatta via Rosehill Station.

But overall, a very good map. It's interesting to see that every station (besides Camellia) on the Carlingford Line has a frequent bus service to Parramatta station, where there are much more frequent services. The Carlingford Line therefore is really only needed to shuttle passengers between stations on the line.

Nate Wessel

My first impression is that the map is BEAUTIFUL :) Good colours, good shapes and angles. It makes me want to examine it more!

What throws me off is the overly large stop names/bubbles/circles. I found myself using a large symbol like that on my map of Cincinnati (www.cincymap.org) to indicate three major transfer points(downtown Cincinnati, downtown Covington, and a suburban hub), but I still tried to keep it as small as possible, since it represents a physically small area. You'll see on the Downtown transit hubs for example that the ellipses are only as large as they need to be to accept all of the lines terminating there.

If yours were indicating neighborhoods rather than stops, I would be ok with the large size.

For example, on "101.PDF", why is "Narrabeen"(top right) so much larger than "avalon"? It's not clear to me.

I would also suggest adding major street names to bus routes(and rail if relevant) where space allows.

Jarrett at HumanTransit.org

Nate. I expect the answer is that Narrabeen is a connection point.


Notice the rather large contrast between Sydney and Toronto here. In Sydney the frequent rail network is much more extensive than Toronto, but the frequent bus network is sparse. In Toronto only the subway runs frequently, the commuter rail mostly runs only in rush hour, except for one line which runs hourly outside rush hour. The subway system covers a much smaller portion of the city than CityRail in Sydney. On the other hand almost every arterial road in the city of Toronto has a high frequency bus route (Finch, Eglinton etc.); although the bus routes outside city limits are much less frequent there are a number of routes that have 15-20 minute or better off peak service outside city limits (e.g. 1 Dundas, 19 Hurontario, Viva Blue).

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