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It's nice, of course, to have redundant services to cut. For many transit agencies, service is already spread too thin--and cuts mean either decreasing frequencies beyond what is tolerable, or eliminating routes altogether.

Yonah Freemark

Good point on the G -- and I'd suggest that the replacement of the Queens portion of the M train with the V is also a good decision. It will provide people living in Middle Village direct access to Midtown, something they haven't had in decades, and it will eliminate the very underused rush-hour M to Brooklyn.

It will also relieve 2nd Avenue/LES station customers the awful heat they experience during the summer as a result of V trains sitting around, spewing air-con exhaust at their terminus...

I'm impressed by the thoughtfulness with which the MTA is choosing to move ahead with these cuts.

Cap'n Transit

From a practical point of view, the G hasn't run to Forest Hills in years. It's true, I occasionally see it coming down the track, but then it's like "Oo, the G!" a ghost train. There have been so many service outages that you can't depend on taking it to Brooklyn. So I won't miss it if they completely eliminate it.

What's frustrating is that transfer at Court Square. When the G runs to Queens Plaza, you can transfer across the platform, or at worst up and over. But at Court Square it's a long haul between the two stations, with - get this - a one-way moving sidewalk!

If they had some way of turning the G at Queens Plaza, that would make it a lot easier.


"The G subway line is the only line running directly between Queens (the top of this map) and Brooklyn (the bottom)."

That's not correct. The A, J, M and Z trains run directly from Brooklyn to Queens. The G is the only train that runs ONLY in Brooklyn and Queens.


They do have a way of turning the G at Queens Plaza, although it's kind of a pain. There's a layup track between the two express tracks north/east of Queens Plaza. A terminating G would have to unload at the local platform at Queens Plaza, then wait for an opportunity to cross the express track to get to the layup. On the way back out, it would be able to load on either the local or express track. Assuming that this only runs during off-peak hours when there's no V train, you only have to worry about getting in the way of the E on the express and the R on the local, which shouldn't be too terrible of a problem. And there's almost certainly enough room that even one or two R's stacked up waiting to enter Queens Plaza wouldn't affect service on the N/W. And during the hours that the G currently runs to 71st/Continental, this shouldn't be a problem at all, because it's off peak and service is nowhere near saturating the line capacity.

Alon Levy

Greg: the A, J, and M cross from Brooklyn to Queens far east; they do not link Long Island City with Downtown Brooklyn quickly the way the G does.


The A and M end in Queens without connecting to anything else (well, except the JFK Airtrain for the A, but that's not useful for intra-Queens travel). Only the J can really be said to connect Brooklyn to Queens, and that's in a very different part of the two boroughs from the G. Also, I looked it up: on Saturdays the base headway for the R and E is 8 minutes, so the worst case is that the G has to wait for the E to pass, forcing the R to wait behind it for 2 minutes, and the chances of that happening with 8 minute headways are fairly small.


If the G ran like it's supposed to, it would cut 20 minutes off a trip that can take over an hour. There is no bus route that replaces the direct service the G provides. To get from local stops in Queens to the G requires two transfers, one of which includes a very long underground walk. It's a big pain and not providing this service isn't saving that much money.

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