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Daniel

I'm amazed you managed to find this; I guess that's why I follow your RSS feed.

I agree that this does have a small world kind of feel. The one difference that jumps out to me is the restaurant owner who is lamenting the fact that his customers who drive will no longer be able to park a five minutes walk away. They will have to walk further.

That sounds like something you might hear in the states but at an entirely different proportion. Many here demand a spot directly adjacent to the use and consider five minutes intolerable. It's a difference of degree.

CroMagnon

Whether or not delivery vehicles will be allowed is the issue. What about private trash collection?
I don't see how a restaurant can work without these.

Commercial vehicles are not usually mentioned when the "car-free city" groups advocate for their cause.

Daniel

Yeah, the article doesn't directly address deliveries, but I'd assume they would consider that under the exceptions for those who live within the district. I should hope so at least.

EngineerScotty

Interesting.

The city of Damascus, OR--recently voted down an initiative to ban light rail within the city limits. http://www.clackamas.us/elections/results.htm

While TriMet/Metro aren't planning on sending any trains Damascus' way for a good long time (on the high-capacity corridor map, a train corridor to Damascus is discussed, but considered a very long term priority), the city is largely a mixture of rural properties and half-acre septic sprawl; which incorporated a few years back to largely resist Metro plans to direct development to the area.

Alon Levy

The article is very American-style - it's interesting. It mentions some people talking about how it's good that the streets will be less crowded, others talking about deliveries, yet others talking about customer access. It is very familiar, as you've noted, Jarrett. I wonder whether it's like this just in the English version for Western readers, or also in the Arabic original, which would mean the newspaper really is following American reporting mores.

Jarrett at HumanTransit.org

Alon.  Good question.  I was assuming this was a translation of an Arabic article.  Does anyone out there read Arabic?  If so, let us know.  You can probably find the Arabic coverage of this issue on the Baladna website, from early December.

rhywun
Commercial vehicles are not usually mentioned when the "car-free city" groups advocate for their cause.

I would imagine that's because it's a given that such plans will make allowances for deliveries and garbage pickup. As I am sure the hundreds or thousands of existing examples around the world operate.

Ericorozco

I personally found Damascenes inviting, approachable and remarkably ...er... human-like. :) Why we should find their mundane reactions to changes in daily conveniences a little surprising is amusing!

Sadly, my Arabic is still at the tourist level so sorry I can't help you with the translation question.

I think it's important to understand that the Old City of Damascus is a relatively tiny area in proportion to the surrounding urban center, and that the Old City already is pedestrianized to an extent, so we're not talking grave changes here. Surrounding the old walls are also bustling market areas where a lot of business is dependent on foot-traffic.

Having lived nearly 3 years in Jerusalem's Old City I always found it remarkable the complete variety of carrier strategies that tight old world fabrics develop:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cdelriccio/3996951286/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/30387493@N08/3987776380/

Here by the way is how trash pick up is done: http://is.gd/aqj1a

Damascus' Old City, for its part, is a little spoiled for enjoying its relatively wider streets, but it is not to say that it can't adapt.

Nonetheless, you are right, I think form and economics, rather than governmental acts, should regulate vehicular access. No one completely bans cars from the streets in Jerusalem's labyrinthine Old City, if they are wide enough (and level enough) to accommodate them. I note that the busiest pedestrian street in Damascus' Old City, the Souk El-Hamidiyeh, is wide enough for cars, but the reason it is pedestrianized has probably a lot to do with the fact that it is a busy shopping street. Whereas the other streets that the article mentions are quieter. Unless the street is lined on both sides with active storefronts that cater to foot-traffic, no reason to ban traffic from the street. The city will find its natural equilibrium and it gets to that point by reasons that are probably beneficial to it.

J

I've always found it amazing how every city considers itself unique. "X will never work here", "X might work in Y, but we're different".

No. You're not. This issue always comes up with parking, bike lanes, pedestrian plazas, pedestrian countdowns, etc etc. Boston is finally taking steps to remove the second operator from the orange line subway. His job is just to open doors. Of course, people against the removal claim that just because one operator is good enough for other subways, Boston is "unique" and requires two.

It hurts to see how much money is wasted on studies and pilots for ideas that exist in many other cities, just because "it may not work here".

karin kloosterman

I visited Syria for a couple of weeks and one of the things I loved about getting around were the microbuses. You could meet people on them and could get from point a to point b faster. Please keep them!

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