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Carter R

Transit Pop Song Formula:

Verse - Chorus - Verse - Lawsuit - Chorus - Verse - Appeal - Consent Decree - Guitar Solo - Verse - Chorus - Outro

Rob

Nicely said - but applies much more broadly than transit and transportation. What does it mean when, as a society, we are unable to agree to even the most basic facts, and need to "balance" facts with craziness? It means that knowledge and professionalism become meaningless.

Mad Park

Was about to write nearly the same words as Rob above - now I needn't. Teevee started it, but the internet has indeed made "knowledge and professionalism... meaningless." Thanks, Jarrett, for expressing something needing said.

Simon

You make it sound as if people are interested in dispassionate argument, whereas the reality seems to be that more people like to have their emotions triggered than to analyse an argument.

I'd suggest figuring out ways to frame your transit argument to inflame the emotions of your potential supporters rather than relying on newspapers for logical analysis.

Alon Levy

It's a general trend in any reporting in the US. Journalists have been told to seek balance above all, so they can't even bring themselves to talk about objective facts, and quote people based on expertise instead of ideological affirmative action (also see: any article quoting Wendell Cox). If you think it's bad with transportation, look at how many science articles try to give creationists or climate change deniers equal time.

Tom West

I agree with you - I also hate it when reporters state agreed facts as being what side has "said". In your example, no one was disputing the tunnels would be more expensive, so to add a "state planners" preface is ridiculous.

More widely, using "experts say" is terrible writing. For example, Wikipedia has explicit rules agianst using phrases like "experts say", describing them as weasel words. In academic writing, it simply isn't allowed (the paper wouldn't get published). If journalists can't give a source, they shouldn't be reporting it.

RTA

Although both the town and the planners no doubt agree that a tunnel would be more expensive, only the planners made a statement regarding an estimate for the cost differential. It is that context-setting estimate that the reporter was attributing -- as he should have -- not the general fact that tunnels are much more expensive, which I think is implicit in the article and the headline.

EngineerScotty


Time to pull out one of my favorite Blackadder scenes:

Edmund Blackadder: Look, there's no need to panic. Someone in the crew will know how to steer this thing.

Captain Rum: The crew, milord?

Edmund: Yes, the crew.

Rum: What crew?

Edmund: I was under the impression that it was common maritime practice for a ship to have a crew.

Rum: Opinion is divided on the subject.

Edmund: Oh, really? [starting to get the picture]

Rum: Yahs. All the other captains say it is; I say it isn't.

FredInRVA

@RTA, I think you're splitting a hair here. True the writer is paraphrasing the planners in giving their estimate, but while you are technically correct that the planners are the only ones citing a specific cost, the wording emphasis and style of the sentence clearly imply a truthiness to the estimate and tend to emphasize the emotional reaction of the residents.

John

I think he wrote, "state rail planners say" as a way of citing the source for the cost estimate, not as a way of creating a dispute.

J B

Saying "State planners" also plays on people's distrust of bureaucrats.

JJJ

I agree that the article is aiming for a dispute.

I also hate the way journalists will copy in a quote and offer no commentary on the facts.

Example:
Some are concerned about the new train. Wendy, a single mother said "thousands of people are being killed left and right by this new thing".

The article almost never follows up with "Wendy is incorrect, nobody has died" making it seem like what Wendy said is a fact.

Rob

In other news, the headline on Paul Krugman's blog this morning is "Views Still Differ on Shape of Planet"...

Thad

Well as a former journalism student of the top journalism school in the country, I guess I have probably the most expertise. Based on the title of the article: "State rail to Peninsula: Want underground tracks? Find the money," the story is about who is going to pay for the Peninsula's wish to underground the tracks, not if the sides agree on how expensive the project is. This is re-emphasized in the lede: "Burlingame leaders say they are preparing to strike back after California's high-speed rail chief told them the state will build its tracks underground on the Peninsula only if local taxpayers foot the massive bill." The lede summarizes the whole point of the article, which is underground tracks are expensive, the Peninsula wants them, but the state isn't footing the massive bill. Nothing in the article leading up to the excerpt you pulled suggests that there is any disagreement on this fact by anyone.

Journalism runs on the premise of "show don't tell." Even though the reporter doesn't out right say "building underground tracks is expensive" as a state of fact, he does "show" it by stating that "[t]he $43 billion project is already facing a funding shortfall of $30 billion, even before adding in potential extra costs of underground tracks on the Peninsula," then adding the "state planners say, yada yada" then having the opposing side (Burligame officials) agree with the mayor's quote. The fact that both sides find the project's expense being outside of their means says how expensive it is, or highlights how broke both parties are. Could he have cited some actual price figures for projects like this one? Well yeah, but we must also remember that journalists, especially those not covering a niche market like transit planning, are not experts on the majority of what they report and often due to the time constraints placed on them, may not have the time to become experts.

The point about the "emotion-alleged fact-emotion" structure seems mute too as it is more of a one side to one side. The position of the state planners on the issue has been rooted in the costs, not the overall benefits of the project which was demonstrated throughout the article. Every official state source has been cited talking about the costs of the project and it's funding shortfall. The Peninsula communities are more concerned about the NIMBY effects. The cost is why the state planners want the tracks above ground, the NIMBY effects are why the communities want them below ground.

Alex B.

@Thad

Show, don't tell is fine. However, the journalist could do a lot better by just citing the cost figure from a document. If he/she has to ask the state planners about it, that's fine - but then quoting them as 'state planners say' personalizes the cost figure, making a cold, hard fact more adversarial than it actually is.

Thad

I did agree that the cost figure should have just been given as well, just explaining why the reporter didn't do it. Another thing is that readers read in their own biases/beliefs/perceptions into the journalism they read, so while you may perceive the the "state planners say" to be adversarial, I didn't find it adversarial and the one commenter evidently didn't either. I think the point Jarrett is trying to argue is largely lost in the full context of the article at hand. Again, the article is about who is footing the bill for underground tracks, not the merits of HSR or some debate about whether the costs are expensive or not.

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